Eight Metres start Sunday



Only one enter in the 8mR(new) R1919 Class, i.e. Ankers 8N18 "Brand VI".
The S-yachts which in 1920 converted to the new R-rule has decided to in 1921 go back and race in a separate 8mS-Class. This due to Ankers designs under the new R-rule had been to superior.

KNS spring regatta June 4th - 5th 1921.
 

 
Winners on Saturday: 8mR(new) R1919 Class; 8N18 "Brand VI", 2.45.55. 
8mS Class; sH25 "Apache", 2.47.28; 8mR(old) Class; H7 "Garraveen", 2.48.10
Winners on Sunday: 8mR(new) Class; 8N18 "Brand VI" 2.12.17,
8mS Class; sH27 "Erle II", ex "Lyn" 2.14.9; 8mR(old) Class; H7 "Garraveen" 2.13.36


Overall best  both days was 8mR(new) R1920 Class; 8N18 "Brand VI".  On Saturday winner of the 8mS Class sH25 "Apache" performed better than the winner of the 8mR(old) R1907 Class H7 "Garraveen", however on Sunday H7 "Garraveen" beats the winner of the 8mS Class sH27 "Erle" which is the silver medalist from the 1920 Antwerpen Olympics, i.e.  8N6 "Lyn", ex sH27 "La France".

Subject to "Verano II"  ("Snarken") it seems like she in spring 1921 is not  racing although she on May 14th 1921 obtained her measurement Certificate as an 8mS yacht with rating S=7.92.




S-rule measurement Certificate of May 14^th 1921 for “Verano II” (“Snarken”), rating S=7.92

During the winter 1920/1921 her ownership as noted on the Measurement Certificate has changed from Eilert Sundt KNS to Ole R. Thoresen KNS. 

KNS Yacht Register
 KNS Yacht Register for 1920 has not listed neither "Verano II" nor  "Sildra", as they both were launched in 1920 and probably not been noted in time before publishing the register. The  8mS-Yachts sailing in 1918 and 1919 are listed in the Registers Class 1; Yachts commissioned to the S-Rule of 1917. While Yachts commisioned to the R-rule of 1907 are listed in Class 2. No list are yet presented of yachts commissioned to the new R-rule of Oct.1919 from  Jan. 1st 1920

From 1920 and onwards KNS yacht register was only published every second year. The next register to be presented by KNS is 1921-1922.
 
In this register the 8mS yachts which in 1920 were converted to the new R-1919 rule and in 1921 went back and raced in the 8mS Class remains listed with their R(1919) racing sail no. under the new Class 1; Yachts commissioned to the R-rule of 1919. The list includes the tailormade 8mR yachts 8N2 "Sildra" (1920) and  8N18 "Top III" ex "Brand VI" (1921). 

The not converted S-yachts are listed in registers Class 2; Yachts commissioned to the S-rule of 1917.  
Class 3 is  Yachts commisioned to the old R-rule of 1907.

KNS Yacht Register 1921-22 
Class 1: Yachts commissioned to the International R-rule of 1919
Class 2: Yachts commissioned to the Scandinavian S-rule of 1917
Class 3: Yachts commissioned to the International R-rule of 1907



"Snarken" is to be found in Class 1 as  "Siva" (ex Verano II), owner Nicolai Andresen jr., Kristiania (Oslo), racing sail no 8N11.
8mR(old)  H11 "Sans Atout" (A&J 1908) is listed in Class 1 with racing sail no 8N16

8mR "Bera" constructed in 1922 is not yet to be listed in Class 1, however, she is noted given permanent racing sail no 8N19 "Bera" on page 363 in the KNS register of  1921-22. (As 8N12 "Pandora" converted back to the 9m handicap Class, racing sail no 8N12 was free and given to 8N12 "Bera". 8N19 was then Ankers next year design 8N19 "Ranja")

It is likely that the KNS  register 1921-22 reflects the status at a time in 1921 when "Bera" (1922) was given her preliminary racing sail no 8N19 before the register went into printing.

Related to "Snarken" this tells us that Eilert Sundt some time during winter /spring 1920/21 sold 8N11"Verano II"  to Ole R. Thoresen, Kr.a. who certified her  to the S-rule of 1917 with rating S=7.92. Later the same year Ole R. Thoresen sold her to Nicolai Andresen jr. who named her "Siva" with sail no 8N11. 


As such "Siva" ex "Verano II" (Snarken) carries in summer 1921 two Certificates. Her R(1919) Certificate from June 2nd 1920 valid til June 2nd 1922, and her S-Certificate of May 14th 1921 to May 14th 1923.
 

 

Above: Summary of KNS regattas 1921 total 8 races.
In the 8mR(new) R-1919 Class: One competitor; 8N18 "Brand VI", owner Johan Anker.
8mS Class: 11 competitors: Winners sH22(8N1) "Brand V (3),  sH29(8N7)"Top II" ex Aljuca (2), sH27(8N6) Erle II, ex Lyn (1), sH25(8N3) "Apache" (1), sH31(8N17) "Trolljo III" (1).
8mR(old) R-1907 Class: 4 competitors: Winners: H7 "Garraveen" is most winner (6) above H17 "Ierne"(2) although she during the year is sold from Halfdan Hansen to Erik Anderssen, Kr.a.

"Siva", "Verano II",  is not  listed in the summary of KNS regattas 1921. For some reason it seems that her owners in 1921 Ole R. Thoresen and Nicolai Andresen jr. are not racing? Nicolai Andresen of the well known Tiedeman Tobacco Company likely used her for cruising with his friends.

KNS yachting magazine "Seilas" reports in its May 10th 1922 issue that "Siva" 8mR is sold by Nicolai Andresen jr. Kr.a. to Dagfinn Paust, Kr.a. and renamed "Danseuse".
Dagfinn Paust renews "Verano II" R(1919) Certificate from June 2nd 1920:



8mR "Danseuse", ex "Siva" ex "Verano II" (Snarken)  Measurement Certificate of June ist 1922 valid for two more years uptil June ist 1924. Rating R(1919) = 7.998

KNS spring regatta June 10th - 11th 1922


Photo: 8 metres start on Sunday: To the right "Brand V" turning for restart. Next "Revanche", 12m"Ulabrand 4" , "Garraveen" and "Trolljo III". 

From the entry list it seems that the competition between the 8m is starting to fall apart with increased competition in the 6m Classes. As to the 8m Classes, there was no entries in the 8mR 1919 Class. Four entries in the 8mS Class, i.e."Brand V"(sH22), "Encore"(sH26) ex "Hei-paa-dig", "Trolljo III"(sH31) and "Revanche"(sH33) ex "Rocambole", and only  one entry in the 8mR(old) 1907 Class, i.e. H7 "Garraveen".

Winners in the S-Class; "Revanche" and "Brand V".



Image: Summary of KNS regattas 1922: 
No of entries in 8mR(1919) Class; 3 - "Sildra"(8N2), "Bera"(8N12) and "Top III", ex "Brand VI"(8N18). Most winner "Bera".
No of entries in 8mS Class; 5 - "Brand V"(sH22), "Encore"(sH26), "Trolljo III"(sH31), "Apache"(sH25), "Revanche"(sH33). Most winner "Brand V" (7), "Revanche" (1).
No of entries 8mR (1907) Class; 2- "Garraveen" (H7) and "Taifun" (H14) (part2 note 5) Most winner "Garraveen".


KNS Yacht Register 1923 - 1924:
The KNS Yacht Register of 1923-1924 has the same Classes as the previous register of 1921 - 1922:
Class 1: Yachts commissioned to the International R-rule of 1919
Class 2: Yachts commissioned to the Scandinavian S-rule of 1917
Class 3: Yachts commissioned to the International R-rule og 1907


Class 1, 8mR(1919); 
8N12 "Bera" (A&J 1922), 8N19 "Ranja" (A&J 1923), 8N18 "Regina", ex Top III, ex Brand VI (A&J 1921), 8N2 "Sildra" (A&J 1920), 8N20 "Varg" (A&J 1924).
Class 2, 8mS(1917); 
sH36 "Anchen" (Svenningsen 1919), sH25 "Apache" ex Boreas (A&J 1918), sH24 "Banzai II" ex Pingvin 4 (A&J 1918), sH30 "Bidevind" (Bjarne Aas 1918), sH22 "Brand V" (A&J 1918), sH26 "Encore", ex Rural, ex Hei-paa-dig (A&J 1918), sH37 "Koh-i-Noor" (A&J 1919), sH34 "Madelon", ex Inger, ex Betty III (A&J 1919), sH32 "Sif" (Liljegren 1918), sH28 "Spurt IV", ex Baus (A&J 1918), sH31 "Trolljo" (A&J 1919) (part2 note6).

The 8mS-yachts certified under the S-rule i 1918 and 1919 and in 1920 converted to the R(1919) rule are listed together with the non converted S-yachts, sH36  "Anchen" and sH24 "Pingvin".

"Snarken" is neither classified in Class 1 (R1919) nor Class 2 (S1917). She is to be found listed in Class 3 (R1907), named "Fandango II" and owner Ole R. Thoresen, Kr.a.



KNS Yacht Register 1923-1924 Class 3; 
Yachts commissioned to the International R-rule of 1907.
H6 "Boheme", ex Gurri, ex Nina II, ex Guri (A&J, Asker 1915)
     "Braatt" (Svenningsen , Sarpsborg 1909)
H9 "Brita", ex Tere, exNadine, ex Nadja, ex Brita (JA, Liljegren, Gothenburg 1913) 
     "Condor", ex Rigolo (A&J, Asker 1910)
     "Fandango II", ex Danseuse, ex Verano II, ex Siva (A&J, Asker 1920)
      "Gard", ex Hawaii II, ex Margit III, ex Nollo (A.Hansen, Drammen 1915)
H7 "Garraveen", (Morgan Giles, Southampton 1914)
     "Geir II", ex Per, ex Lotti (Heidmann, Hamburg 1909)
      "Hazard", ex Liss (J&A, Asker 1910)
     " Hild", ex Astrid (Chr. Jensen, Tönsberg 911)
H8  "Lars Kagg" (W.Fife, Liljegren Gothenburg 1913)
      "Life III" (P. Fancke, Kristiania b.b. 1909)
      "Maud II" (A&J, Asker 1908)
      "N.N." (Svenningsen, Drammen 1913)
      "Pingvin V", ex Shanty, ex Petrel, ex Eker III (G.Barg, Rostock 1910)
H5  "Quinta" (A&J, Asker 1914)
H11"Sans Atout" (A&J, Asker 1908)
H20"Sarina" (G.U.Laws, Burnham on Crouch 1912)
H14"Taifun" (A&J, Asker 1911)
      "Tuttan" (Axel Nygren, Gothenburg 1915)
      " Warna IV", ex Ragnhild (Heidmann, Hamburg 1911)

"Snarken" is listed as "Fandango II" with owner Ole R. Thoresen, Kr.a. (Oslo). This must be the same Ole R. Thoresen which owned her earlier in 1921 and certified her under the S-rule of 1917. "Fandango II"  (Snarken)  is together with   "Sans Atout" who also raced in the 8mR(new) R1919 Class in 1920 with sailno 8N16 in KNS Yacht register of 1923-1924 classified under the R(old) - Class for Yachts commissioned under the first R-rule of 1907. 
      
In 1924 Paris is the arena for the Olympic Games. As to sailing it is decided to call for races in 3 Classes compared to 11 Classes under the 1920 Antwerpen Olympic. The 1924 Olympic Classes are 8mR, 6mR and dinghy. No racing are called for in 12mR, 10mR nor in the R(old) Classes under the R-rule of 1907. The focus from the R-yachtsmen is set on the 6mR and 8mR Classes, however as number of R-Classes is restricted to 2, only few will make it to the Olympic starting line.

As such competition continues in the old classes 8mS(1917) Class and 8mR(1907) Class. Several of the 8m from the R(1907) Class have converted their yachts from Gaff rig to Marconi rig with Bermuda sail. Most have for practical reasons to cut back on their main sail area. As no limit yet is set for the size of spinnakers (only limit on length of spinnaker pole)  they keep up down wind performance with large running sails. However, in upwind sailing in light air their previous advantage compared to the S-yachts is no longer the same as before. Discussions take place whether or not it is still applicable to keep up the R(1907) yachts handicap of 12 sec/nm to the S-yachts in wind forces less than 5 m/sec, as decided by the Scandinavian Sailing Federation in February 1918.  (This due to the R(1907) yachts larger sail area) 
In stronger winds the gaff rig yachts anyway have to take down their top sail and as such even out the difference in sail area compared to converting them to Bermuda sail.

The discussion comes to a final decission, and in the call for entries to KNS International Regatta at Hankö and Kristiania (Oslo) July  9th to 13th 1924 the S(1917)-Class and R(1907) Class are united sailing on equal terms.



Enlarged Class 5: 
The S-Class and R-Class of 1907 are united and races on equal terms:



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KNS National Regatta 1925; 
"Boheme", "Fandango", "Star", "Tuttan", "Quinta"


Ole R. Thoresen sold "Fandango II" ("Snarken") to Melchior L. Rolfsen, Oslo who sold her to Einar Pedersen, Oslo and named her "Idyll III". 




KNS Yacht Register 1925-26: 
“Snarken” is listed under the united R(1907) and S(1917) Class named “Idyll III”, ex "Fandango II", ex "Danseuse", ex "Siva", ex Verano II", owner Einar Pedersen, Oslo. 

Einar Pedersen tuned her up and updated her Measurement Certficate. 

The old bolt holes in frame from the fastening of the foremost side stay are to be found on "Snarken" = "Idyll III" today.


Photos taken by Anita K. Johansen during hull inside preservation 
April 15 - 17th 2008.

AS SUCH THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT THAT "SNARKEN" AND "IDYLL III" ARE THE SAME 8 METER. HER FIRST NAME WAS "VERANO II" DESIGNED BY JOHAN ANKER 27/9 1918. SHE WAS LAID DOWN AT ANKER & JENSEN YARD IN VOLLEN, ASKER, OUTSIDE OSLO, NORWAY IN SPRING/SUMMER 1919 GIVEN YARD NO 223, AND LAUNCHED SPRING 1920.




Rudder post on "Snarken" first name "Verano II"

NO 223
A/S ANKER & JENSENs
VERFT
1920

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